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the nra will be holding a press conference. they released a statement that said the nra is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again. erin, what do you think they mean by that, the nra? what do you think they will support? >> i think they know that something is going to be passed, and it will serve them best to be in this fight from the very beginning. not a fight really. i think they're serious. i think they know this is a problem, and it would just be best for them -- >> you mean they'll support some gun restrictions. >> i think they will absolutely. >> when have they done it before? >> i can't say but -- >> when have they done it before? they have never done it before. >> they never have, but when they say they want to give some meaningful contributions, they mean it. >> they'll talk about mental illness, possible checks on mental illness, the video culture of our society, they'll talk about everything but guns. your thought, ron. we have to get out of here, but i don't have any co
the nra will be holding a press conference. they released a statement that said the nra is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again. erin, what do you think they mean by that, the nra? what do you think they will support? >> i think they know that something is going to be passed, and it will serve them best to be in this fight from the very beginning. not a fight really. i think they're serious. i think they know this is a problem, and it would...
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would the nra be prepared to help financially? is it a budgetary matter feasible? would federal grants be necessary to provide this kind of fire power? >> we have all kinds of foreign aid we do. my gosh, we're doing $2 billion to train the police in iraq right now. with all the money in the federal budget, if we can't come up to do this, there's something wrong. we fund the child safety program right now as a model of the school for kids too young to be around guns. it teaches them if you see a gun, stop, leave the area. we have child accidents down to the lowest level ever in history. >> here's something you said on friday that struck me because this is really the nub of the argument about armed security. what if when adam lanza started shooting his way into sandy hook elementary school last friday he'd been confronted by qualified armed security? will you at least admit it's possible that 26 little kids, that 26 innocent lives might have been spared that day? is it so abhorrent to you that you'd rather continue to risk the alternative? >> because that's your stan
would the nra be prepared to help financially? is it a budgetary matter feasible? would federal grants be necessary to provide this kind of fire power? >> we have all kinds of foreign aid we do. my gosh, we're doing $2 billion to train the police in iraq right now. with all the money in the federal budget, if we can't come up to do this, there's something wrong. we fund the child safety program right now as a model of the school for kids too young to be around guns. it teaches them if you...
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the nra will. we fund the child safety program right now as a model for the schools for kids too young to be around guns. it teaches them if you see a gun, stop, don't touch them. we have child accidents down to the lowest level ever in u.s. history. >> here's something you said on friday that struck me because i think this is really the nub of the argument about armed security. >> what if when adam lanza started shooting his way into sandy hook elementary school last friday he'd been confronted by qualified armed security? will you at least admit it's possible that 26 little kids, the 26 innocent lives might have been spared that day? is it so abhorrent to you that you would rather consider to risk the alternative. >> that's your standard, that fewer people should be killed. that's the goal here and the standard here is if it's possible, your words, if it's possible that lives could be shared, shouldn't we try that, that's the standard, isn't it? >> my standard is this. you can't legislation moral
the nra will. we fund the child safety program right now as a model for the schools for kids too young to be around guns. it teaches them if you see a gun, stop, don't touch them. we have child accidents down to the lowest level ever in u.s. history. >> here's something you said on friday that struck me because i think this is really the nub of the argument about armed security. >> what if when adam lanza started shooting his way into sandy hook elementary school last friday he'd...
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about the nra's power. mayor michael bloomberg's right hand power. will real america come around on common sense gun laws? >> john nichols on the conservative push to keep common sense gun laws out of the middle of the country. plus, republican obstacles to reduce violence with jonathan and alex wagner. and dr. gail saultz on the role mental health professionals need to play to reduce the violence. >> no single law. no set of laws can eliminate evil from the world or prevent every senseless act of violence in our society. but that can't be an excuse for an action.
about the nra's power. mayor michael bloomberg's right hand power. will real america come around on common sense gun laws? >> john nichols on the conservative push to keep common sense gun laws out of the middle of the country. plus, republican obstacles to reduce violence with jonathan and alex wagner. and dr. gail saultz on the role mental health professionals need to play to reduce the violence. >> no single law. no set of laws can eliminate evil from the world or prevent every...
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>> nra supports what works. we have supported prison building, supported projects where every time you catch a criminal with a gun, a drug dealer with a gun, a violent felon with a gun, you prosecutor them 1 sh00% of the time. if you want to control violent criminals, take them off the streets. we supported instant check systems, getting the records into the instant check system. >> even the instant check system has huge holes just like the mental health registry. >> the biggest single hole right now if you're a felon and you walk into a gun store and you try to buy a gun and they go, oh, you're a felon and we're going to turn you do, they let you walk out and they don't prosecute you. it's like bonnie and clyde. it like clyde goes in and tries to buy a gun. he goes back to bonnie and said i got bad news, they didn't sell me a gun. the good news is they let me go, they didn't do anything to me. they go about and commit their crime. >> is senator feinstein's bill to revive the assault weapon ban going to pass? >>
>> nra supports what works. we have supported prison building, supported projects where every time you catch a criminal with a gun, a drug dealer with a gun, a violent felon with a gun, you prosecutor them 1 sh00% of the time. if you want to control violent criminals, take them off the streets. we supported instant check systems, getting the records into the instant check system. >> even the instant check system has huge holes just like the mental health registry. >> the...
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the nra will oppose that. they said they favor lots of things to try to get at the violence of schools, more armed guards with guns at schools, a look at the culture of violence, that president obama grease with, better records in the instant check system of those adjudged to be mentally defective, that's the term in the law. they favor all those things except restrictions on gun, the nra does. there will be a big lobbying battle in congress when this begins to move. >> when we look back at 2008 and the court decision at that time regarding washington, d.c.'s gun control law, how might that decision come into play if at all. >> it's going to in some way. in a very narrow sense what the supreme court decision stands for is a very important thing. for the first time in american history the supreme court defined the second amendment. it said it does apply to an individual right to own a gun but it stands only for the constitutional right to possess a handgun in the home for self-defense. it doesn't say anything a
the nra will oppose that. they said they favor lots of things to try to get at the violence of schools, more armed guards with guns at schools, a look at the culture of violence, that president obama grease with, better records in the instant check system of those adjudged to be mentally defective, that's the term in the law. they favor all those things except restrictions on gun, the nra does. there will be a big lobbying battle in congress when this begins to move. >> when we look back...
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the nra is more aggressive in opposition. you saw after the expiration of the assault weapons ban in 2004, they got aggressive. it was before staying your ground was passed. they banned cities. they got aggressive really quickly. they are still more aggressive than the other side. >> i truly believe, i still believe the vast majority of americans across all affiliations are reasonable people. the tragedy in newtown wasn't a true game changer. on my way down here, i saw the new edition, people magazine that has the faces of all those kids on the cover. as time goes on, parents will write a book about their experience. we come to know more about their children. it's not going to go away. it touched such a nerve with people, they are against something that is very different from the past where they could die down and go back to business as usual. i think this is something that touches on every parent's worst nightmare. it's not going to go away. with the strategy, the game is different now. >> i want to reiterate that wayne lapi
the nra is more aggressive in opposition. you saw after the expiration of the assault weapons ban in 2004, they got aggressive. it was before staying your ground was passed. they banned cities. they got aggressive really quickly. they are still more aggressive than the other side. >> i truly believe, i still believe the vast majority of americans across all affiliations are reasonable people. the tragedy in newtown wasn't a true game changer. on my way down here, i saw the new edition,...
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an nra member. he told joe scarborough why he thinks we ought to talk about this. >> never before have we seen our babies slaughtered. it's never happened in america that i can recall, ever seeing this type of carnage. anybody, anybody that lives in america, anybody that's a proud gun owner, anybody that's a proud member of the nra, they're also proud parents, proud grandparents, they understand. this has changed where we go from here. i'm going to speak to all my colleagues. i'm going to reach out to all of my friends at the nra. i'll go over and sit down with them and say how can we take the dialogue to a different level? how can we sit down and make sure we're moving and not be afraid that someone is going to attack our freedoms and our rights. >> let me go back to mr. larson. this is a real trouble here because it always goes back to freedom and the fact we love this freedom we feel. adlai stevenson once said freedom in this doesn't is something you can actually feel. it just feels great, the se
an nra member. he told joe scarborough why he thinks we ought to talk about this. >> never before have we seen our babies slaughtered. it's never happened in america that i can recall, ever seeing this type of carnage. anybody, anybody that lives in america, anybody that's a proud gun owner, anybody that's a proud member of the nra, they're also proud parents, proud grandparents, they understand. this has changed where we go from here. i'm going to speak to all my colleagues. i'm going to...
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>>> plus the nra's double down. the organization's ceo says if it's crazy to arm police in school, then call him crazy. >> i know there's a media machine in this country that wants to blame guns every time something happens. i know there's an anti-second amendment instrument in this town. >>> but first eight days until the fiscal cliff deadlines, through the has of congress not a creature is stirring, not even a lawmakers. hopes of a deal are fading. before taking off, the president urged congress that pass a scaled-back stop-gap measure. >> senators agreed on sunday to pass -- >> i think unfortunately there will only be a small deal. >> it is going to be a patch. >> kristin welker, traveling with the president in honolulu. the question is will he be cutting hi vacation short? does he have a royal to play? or is it up to the senate, as some are saying? >> reporter: first of all, i think it is likely we'll see him cut his vacation short. senate majority leader harry reid, minority leader mitch mcconnell will have to
>>> plus the nra's double down. the organization's ceo says if it's crazy to arm police in school, then call him crazy. >> i know there's a media machine in this country that wants to blame guns every time something happens. i know there's an anti-second amendment instrument in this town. >>> but first eight days until the fiscal cliff deadlines, through the has of congress not a creature is stirring, not even a lawmakers. hopes of a deal are fading. before taking off,...
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and face of the nra, wayne lapierre. his first interview since the newtown tragedy and the only interview he'll be giving after tomorrow's press conference. >>> first, the white house soup of the day, white chicken chili. check out our website, rundown@nbc.com. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare? that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, they pick up some of what medicare doesn't pay. and save you up to thousands of dollars in out-of-pocket costs. call today to request a free decision guide to help you better understand what medicare is all about. and which aarp medicare supplement plan works best for you. with these types of plans, you'll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients... plus, there are no networks, and you'll never need a referral to see a sp
and face of the nra, wayne lapierre. his first interview since the newtown tragedy and the only interview he'll be giving after tomorrow's press conference. >>> first, the white house soup of the day, white chicken chili. check out our website, rundown@nbc.com. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare? that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan,...
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. >> the problem is not the nra. the problem is we're having the wrong conversation, as usual, in this country. normal people don't shoot peel. >> but what i'm trying to say is that the mentally ill have free access. the new york times had a front page story about the swiss cheese nature of the f.b.i.'s recordkeeping pertaining to those who have mental illness. >> listen, michael. the nra -- this is what wayne lapierre said. he talked about mental illness. they are opposed to background checks on people who go to gun shows, who sell guns from one to another privately. it doesn't matter. >> i wish we had more time. thank you, david corn. thank you steven siebold. >>> up next, the most challenged quotes of the year. and if you want to follow me on twitter, you jest need to know how to spell smerconish. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> back to "hardball." the washington post assigns a certain number of pinochios to politicians that might be factually challenged. we were part of the big ones saying that je
. >> the problem is not the nra. the problem is we're having the wrong conversation, as usual, in this country. normal people don't shoot peel. >> but what i'm trying to say is that the mentally ill have free access. the new york times had a front page story about the swiss cheese nature of the f.b.i.'s recordkeeping pertaining to those who have mental illness. >> listen, michael. the nra -- this is what wayne lapierre said. he talked about mental illness. they are opposed to...
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this is what was airing on the nra webcast. that was very different from the statement that they released. let me play what happened. >> good advice for senator feinstein and some of those anti-guns. listen to the survivors at the school. these gun-free zones are not the answer. people are left and adam landry knew what he wanted to do. >> that was the webcast saying that the gun-free zones are not the answer. you would want guns in school zones. michael, is that different than the statement of meaningful contributions that the nra said they are ready to discuss? >> we are going to find out on friday. that's when they have a pressure in washington and come forth with whatever their contributions might be. i think the nra will make a gross calculation if they maintain that line in the sand and that position of never giving an inch. one practical consideration in my home, we have four kids. the gifts are wrapped. this won't be a holiday season where we get into christmas and forget. for parents it's going to accentuate the recogn
this is what was airing on the nra webcast. that was very different from the statement that they released. let me play what happened. >> good advice for senator feinstein and some of those anti-guns. listen to the survivors at the school. these gun-free zones are not the answer. people are left and adam landry knew what he wanted to do. >> that was the webcast saying that the gun-free zones are not the answer. you would want guns in school zones. michael, is that different than the...
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but we can let them know that we mourn with them. >> and while opponents protested the nra, the nra told nbc news it will not comment until the facts are thoroughly known. they deactivated their facebook page on sasht after celebrating getting to 1.7 million fans during the week, by the way. so it's the gun owners of america, a gun rights group to the right of the nra that's filling the void. the group's executive director, larry pratt, told "hardball"'s chris matthews, the sandy hook tragedy could have been averted if the teachers had been harmed. >> we've said, no, no, no, no, there's something really special and who knows what about those schools and maybe the teachers can't be trusted with a gun there. >> would this be a less free country if you couldn't have an assault rifle? >> well yb away. >> wait a minute, wait a minute. >> and finally in some other news, we may be closer to a deal on the fiscal cliff than ever before and it may come down to selling any deal that boehner and obama strike to their respective rank and file. today, boehner will meet with house republicans after mak
but we can let them know that we mourn with them. >> and while opponents protested the nra, the nra told nbc news it will not comment until the facts are thoroughly known. they deactivated their facebook page on sasht after celebrating getting to 1.7 million fans during the week, by the way. so it's the gun owners of america, a gun rights group to the right of the nra that's filling the void. the group's executive director, larry pratt, told "hardball"'s chris matthews, the...
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but then, even as we say that, these moments appear to be bad for the nra and run and hide but nra membership booms in these moments. gun sales boom in these moments. bushmaster sales are booming in the wake of the gabby giffords shooting, glocks boomed. they would never admit it but in a perverse way, the moments are good for them so then how do we expect them to not want the moments? >> that's a terrible thing to say. the nra does not want these moments and invests millions a year in gun safety. i can think of a piece of legislation in 2007, the nixon improvement act to incentive states to report of people to be mentally disabled or a danger to themselves or others or suicidal. in to a national database. that was legislation written by the nra. passed by george w. bush. i would expect to see more efforts along those lines. around mental health. i know because i know the nra that they're interested in having a conversation. but they want to talk about what works. and unfortunately, calling a school a gun-free zone and slapping a sticker on it is an immoshl lack of attention to the issue of s
but then, even as we say that, these moments appear to be bad for the nra and run and hide but nra membership booms in these moments. gun sales boom in these moments. bushmaster sales are booming in the wake of the gabby giffords shooting, glocks boomed. they would never admit it but in a perverse way, the moments are good for them so then how do we expect them to not want the moments? >> that's a terrible thing to say. the nra does not want these moments and invests millions a year in...
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various nra news personalities, they sponsor like news shows that's just talk radio that's pro nra. they spouted their beliefs about gun control. but nobody paid attention to that. in terms of an official statement from the group, the nra as an organization did not put out a statement of any kind until four days after the newtown attack. and at first it seemed to follow the nra pattern. they're just going to express their sadness, right? and say this isn't the time that talk about policy. but this statement actually was different. "the nra is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again." the nra's planning to hold a major news conference in the washington, d.c. area on friday, december 21st. a major news conference planned for tomorrow in response to that mass shooting. as far as we can tell, the nra has never reacted to a mass shooting in the way that they are very proudly promoting this news conference for tomorrow. they've certainly never said anything like they said in this statement about being prepared to offer meaningful contributions
various nra news personalities, they sponsor like news shows that's just talk radio that's pro nra. they spouted their beliefs about gun control. but nobody paid attention to that. in terms of an official statement from the group, the nra as an organization did not put out a statement of any kind until four days after the newtown attack. and at first it seemed to follow the nra pattern. they're just going to express their sadness, right? and say this isn't the time that talk about policy. but...
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a lot of people waiting to see what the nra is going to say. that's going to wrap up this hour of jansing and company. i wish you and yours the measure iest holidays. tom ast picks up our coverage next with beau biden. ♪ don't know what i'd do ♪ i'd have nothing to prove [ male announcer ] zales is the diamond store. save 25 percent off an amazing selection storewide, now through monday. i got your campbell's chunky soup. mom? who's mom? i'm the giants mascot. the giants don't have a mascot! ohhh! eat up! new jammin jerk chicken soup has tasty pieces of chicken with rice and beans. hmmm. for giant hunger! thanks mom! see ya! whoaa...oops! mom? i'm ok. grandma? hi sweetie! she operates the head. [ male announcer ] campbell's chunky soup. it fills you up right. we've decided to we're all having such a she great year in the gulf, put aside our rivalry. 'cause all our states are great. and now is when the gulf gets even better. the beaches and waters couldn't be more beautiful. take a boat ride or just lay in the sun. enjoy the wildlife and nat
a lot of people waiting to see what the nra is going to say. that's going to wrap up this hour of jansing and company. i wish you and yours the measure iest holidays. tom ast picks up our coverage next with beau biden. ♪ don't know what i'd do ♪ i'd have nothing to prove [ male announcer ] zales is the diamond store. save 25 percent off an amazing selection storewide, now through monday. i got your campbell's chunky soup. mom? who's mom? i'm the giants mascot. the giants don't have a...
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the nra rick rolled the whole country. they promised us something that sounded new, something that sounded meaningful, something you thought maybe this time would be a change, it would be worth tuning in for. something you hadn't heard before from this very important group, right? but then you tuned in, you clicked, and what you got is something that they have always done, and that you have heard many, many times before. >> there exists in this country, sadly, a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells and stows violence against its own people. through vicious, violent video games. i mean, we have blood-soaked films out there. a thousand music videos, and you all know this, portray life as a joke. and they play murder, portray murder as a way of life. and throughout it all, to many in the national media, their corporate owners and their stockholders act as conspirators. >> music, video games, videos, at one point he blamed hurricanes for whatever is the bad thing that happens next. but definitely not guns
the nra rick rolled the whole country. they promised us something that sounded new, something that sounded meaningful, something you thought maybe this time would be a change, it would be worth tuning in for. something you hadn't heard before from this very important group, right? but then you tuned in, you clicked, and what you got is something that they have always done, and that you have heard many, many times before. >> there exists in this country, sadly, a callous, corrupt and...
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that's what the nra believes. they told me last week, that could work. >> i'm not going to prejudge the recommendations that are given to me. i am skeptical that the only answer is putting more guns in schools. and i think the vast majority of the american people are skeptical that that somehow is going to solve our problem. look -- here's the bottom line -- we're not going to get this done unless the american people decide it's important. so this is not going to be simply a matter of me spending political capital. one of the things that you learn, having now been in this office for four years, is you know, the old adage of abraham lincoln's, is that with public opinion there's nothing you can't do. and without public opinion, there's very little you can get done in this town. so i'm going to be putting forward a package. and i'm going to be putting my full weight behind it. and i'm going to be making an argument to the american people about why this is important and why we have to do everything we can to make sur
that's what the nra believes. they told me last week, that could work. >> i'm not going to prejudge the recommendations that are given to me. i am skeptical that the only answer is putting more guns in schools. and i think the vast majority of the american people are skeptical that that somehow is going to solve our problem. look -- here's the bottom line -- we're not going to get this done unless the american people decide it's important. so this is not going to be simply a matter of me...
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that's what the nra believes. they told me last week, that could work. >> i'm not going to prejudge the recommendations that are given to me. i am skeptical that the only answer is putting more guns in schools. and i think the vast majority of the american people are skeptical that that somehow is going to solve our problem. look -- here's the bottom line -- we're not going to get this done unless the american people decide it's important. so this is not going to be simply a matter of me spending political capital. one of the things that you learn, having now been in this office for four years, is you know, the old adage of abraham lincoln's, is that with public opinion there's nothing you can't do. and without public opinion, there's very little you can get done in this town. so i'm going to be putting forward a package. and i'm going to be putting my full weight behind it. and i'm going to be making an argument to the american people about why this is important and why we have to do everything we can to make sur
that's what the nra believes. they told me last week, that could work. >> i'm not going to prejudge the recommendations that are given to me. i am skeptical that the only answer is putting more guns in schools. and i think the vast majority of the american people are skeptical that that somehow is going to solve our problem. look -- here's the bottom line -- we're not going to get this done unless the american people decide it's important. so this is not going to be simply a matter of me...
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i took nra sharpshooter lessons. i have a merit badge. >> that's great. >> and it used to be like the aaa. helpful with safety and insurance. how did it change? two ways. one in the 1980s, there was a big fight within the nra and more militant people took over. and they started stoking the paranoia. but because crime was so high in areas like mine, lots of progressives said, hey, let's ban handguns. let's get raid of all guns, and that fed on the paranoia. so we should come back and say we're not going to take away your gun if you are a law-abiding citizen. the second amendment is as important as the first but no amendment is absolute like the nra's position is today. >> there are so many cross cultural rifts in this issue. the way to get everybody talking is to get everything on the table. when reagan signed the cooling off period as governor is that the black panthers actually marched on sacramento armed with their guns because they proper testing it. so there's a lot of -- there's a lot of nuances to this issue. t
i took nra sharpshooter lessons. i have a merit badge. >> that's great. >> and it used to be like the aaa. helpful with safety and insurance. how did it change? two ways. one in the 1980s, there was a big fight within the nra and more militant people took over. and they started stoking the paranoia. but because crime was so high in areas like mine, lots of progressives said, hey, let's ban handguns. let's get raid of all guns, and that fed on the paranoia. so we should come back and...
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nra may have fired up its base. but the nra did nothing to help its cause here on capitol hill. quite the opposite. what we've heard from lawmakers today in the wake of that wasn't even a press conference he didn't take questions. in the wake of that statement that wayne lapierre made was that the impetus now -- they almost have fresh momentum. we heard diane feinstein one of the principal authors of gun legislation that has new life now. she says it doesn't matter how long it takes it may take a year, two years, three years, the conventional wisdom is after the horror from newtown dies down somewhat, after the outrage and anger has subside, congress doesn't get down to case until february after the inauguration, after the state of the union. she says they will not knuckle under they will keep at it. she's talking about buy back legislation, buy back of gun legislation. these talking about strengthening the federal firearms act, closing those loopholes for registration for background checks. bill clinton called her offering to do whatever he could to provide more impetus to push
nra may have fired up its base. but the nra did nothing to help its cause here on capitol hill. quite the opposite. what we've heard from lawmakers today in the wake of that wasn't even a press conference he didn't take questions. in the wake of that statement that wayne lapierre made was that the impetus now -- they almost have fresh momentum. we heard diane feinstein one of the principal authors of gun legislation that has new life now. she says it doesn't matter how long it takes it may take...
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we are putting a huge amount of pressure on congress, legislators, on the nra. you can go to the website, 1 million moms for gun control.org right now and sign a petition and people are asking for gun control laws that we have crashed the servers many, many times and we are optimistic that, you know, after not doing anything, after aurora and gabby giffords and virginia tech, we will get some action this time. >> in 2010, the brady center to prevent gun violence gave president obama a "f" rating. do you think that now is the time for the president to be able to -- to control this issue in a more positive direction, when i talk about control this issue, i mean the sentiment and the emotion that goes in to all americans responding to what we saw in newtown. >> you know, i don't think he has a choice with 80 million american moms coming at him. we have done nothing before and hasn't worked. i think the nra and frankly many congressmen laid out what they see for us in the country where the bad and good guys are armed and duke it out over our kids' heads. we won't al
we are putting a huge amount of pressure on congress, legislators, on the nra. you can go to the website, 1 million moms for gun control.org right now and sign a petition and people are asking for gun control laws that we have crashed the servers many, many times and we are optimistic that, you know, after not doing anything, after aurora and gabby giffords and virginia tech, we will get some action this time. >> in 2010, the brady center to prevent gun violence gave president obama a...
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that's what the nra believes. they told me last week that could work. >> you know, i'm not going to prejudge the recommendations that are given to me. i am skeptical that the only answer is putting more guns in schools. and i think the vast majority of the american people are skeptical that that somehow is going to solve our problem. and, look, here's the bottom line. we're not going to get this done unless the american people decide it's important. and so this is not going to be simply a matter of me spending political capital. one of the things that you learn, having now been in this office for four years is, you know, the old adage of abraham lincoln's, that with public opinion there's nothing you can't do. and without public opinion, there's very little you can get done in this town. so i'm going to be putting forward a package, and i'm going to be putting my full weight behind it. and i'm going to be making an argument to the american people about why this is important and why we have to do everything we can
that's what the nra believes. they told me last week that could work. >> you know, i'm not going to prejudge the recommendations that are given to me. i am skeptical that the only answer is putting more guns in schools. and i think the vast majority of the american people are skeptical that that somehow is going to solve our problem. and, look, here's the bottom line. we're not going to get this done unless the american people decide it's important. and so this is not going to be simply a...
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prosecutor lead an nra effort for that program. look, this was not a press conference because will pierre refused to take questions from the assembled reporters. he was interrupted twice by protesters criticizing the nra and advocating -- >> there's a petitioned on the white house website calling for more semiautomatic gun control. >> i will do everything in my power as president to advance these efforts because if there's even one thing we can do as a country to protect our children, we have a responsibility to try it. >> that statement builds on the president's call for congressional action early next year. >> i will be putting forward very specific proposals. i will be talking about them in my state of the union and we will be working with interested members of congress to try and get something done. >> vice president joe biden is leading the push to draft those proposals, and yesterday he began that effort, meeting with law enforcement officials and cabinet members. i want to go right to you, michael eric dyson. you saw as much
prosecutor lead an nra effort for that program. look, this was not a press conference because will pierre refused to take questions from the assembled reporters. he was interrupted twice by protesters criticizing the nra and advocating -- >> there's a petitioned on the white house website calling for more semiautomatic gun control. >> i will do everything in my power as president to advance these efforts because if there's even one thing we can do as a country to protect our...
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let's look just briefly on what is on the nra's basic score card agenda. this is how they assess members, oppose closing the so-called terror gap. they oppose closing the gun show loophole. they support an amendment that makes it harder to trace guns specifically used in crimes that would be not law-abiding gun use. they would support amendments to carry guns on amtrak, national parks and bars and what i would call the notorious stand your ground legislation. do you think that agenda, if it has more exposure in this debate, i mean if the president read off those things in the state of the union, do you think that would drive a wedge between the average gun owner and the nra's national agenda? >> it would start a debate. look, it's not the job of reporters to carry one side of an argument. if the nra is making an argument and no one is making one against them, it has a consequence for the debate. what the gun control side has lacked for a long time is a powerful grassroots group that actually has the muscle and the money to force the conversation, to force
let's look just briefly on what is on the nra's basic score card agenda. this is how they assess members, oppose closing the so-called terror gap. they oppose closing the gun show loophole. they support an amendment that makes it harder to trace guns specifically used in crimes that would be not law-abiding gun use. they would support amendments to carry guns on amtrak, national parks and bars and what i would call the notorious stand your ground legislation. do you think that agenda, if it has...
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this is not just an issue of the nra and where the nra sits on issues. gun crime is down. violent crime is down. these mass shootings are up. what is the x factor here? is it the guns or is it something else? there is strong evidence that points to something else. >> i would add all three guns used in the shooting purchased legally. connecticut has some of the most strict gun laws in the country. >> they do. >> fred, you've polled for many years on this and many other topics. the numbers on gun control broadly not speaking the last two weeks but broadly suggest the country is -- would prefer less strictures rather than more to enforce what we have rather than more. we've seen the numbers change a little bit. is this an upward trend or not? >> i don't know. i think the jury is still out on this, chris. i think in terms of this, is this a tipping point moment, it is, but it all depends on what it is. is it a tipping point moment where the congress and the president moved in one direction? >> right. >> is it a tipping point moment from the nra in terms of its image with the p
this is not just an issue of the nra and where the nra sits on issues. gun crime is down. violent crime is down. these mass shootings are up. what is the x factor here? is it the guns or is it something else? there is strong evidence that points to something else. >> i would add all three guns used in the shooting purchased legally. connecticut has some of the most strict gun laws in the country. >> they do. >> fred, you've polled for many years on this and many other topics....
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. >> the nra says it's just not going to work. it didn't work before. it's not going to work now. >> you know, my response is, something has to work. you know, it is not enough for us to say, this is too hard, so we're not going to try. so what i intend to do is i will call all the stakeholders together. i will meet with the republicans. i will meet with democrats. i will talk to anybody. i think there are a vast majority of responsible gun owners out there who recognize that we can't have a situation in which somebody with severe psychological problems is able to get the kind of high-capacity weapons that this individual in newtown obtained. and gunned down our kids. and yes, it's going to be hard. >> should we have an armed guard at every school in the country? that's what the nra believes, they told me last week, that could work. >> i'm not going to prejudge the recommendations that are given to me. i am skeptical that the only answer is putting more guns in schools. and i think the vast majority of the american people are skeptical that that somehow
. >> the nra says it's just not going to work. it didn't work before. it's not going to work now. >> you know, my response is, something has to work. you know, it is not enough for us to say, this is too hard, so we're not going to try. so what i intend to do is i will call all the stakeholders together. i will meet with the republicans. i will meet with democrats. i will talk to anybody. i think there are a vast majority of responsible gun owners out there who recognize that we...
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nra arm school guards. lobbying groups call the arm and trade guards in schools on the same page as the memorial held for the hospice nurse work killed earlier this month. obama offers up kerry as top diplomat. the "los angeles times" has the front page story moviegoing as an endurance test. about how movies like "the hobbit" are epic lengths and smaller theaters say that hurts their profits. >>> president obama's in hawaii today where he and the first family will spend christmas. but the president says he will return to the white house after the holiday to continue working on a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. joining me now, white house editor from politico, rachel smolkin. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> holiday red there, rachel. i will begin with you. is there any realistic timetable where a deal gets done beforian 1? look at the calendar. >> there's a realistic timetable but not an optimistic timetable. not a lot of holiday cheer going on in the nation's capital. after the stunning is heback sp
nra arm school guards. lobbying groups call the arm and trade guards in schools on the same page as the memorial held for the hospice nurse work killed earlier this month. obama offers up kerry as top diplomat. the "los angeles times" has the front page story moviegoing as an endurance test. about how movies like "the hobbit" are epic lengths and smaller theaters say that hurts their profits. >>> president obama's in hawaii today where he and the first family will...
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this is tied into ideology, not just hunting licenses. >> the nra gets, i think -- the nra spends the most money on the one side of the issue, so they get credit/blame, depending where you come down on all this. but somehow the debate -- chuck's point about the frustration with the lack of any middle ground possible -- >> when charlton heston said you're going to have to take this gun out of my cold, dead hand. that's not a compromising position. >> and that's the problem, chris. it's become this slippery slope argument, which is any -- >> i hate that phrase. >> i hate the slippery slope. >> okay. let's say assault weapons or these high caliber -- these high pack rounds, if they do that, what will they do next? >> find a way. let's be honest about it. can we be honest about it? >> you can't have a discussion -- >> you know what the problem is? there is a sliver of american people who are anti-gun. they would like to go around the country and collect every gun. let's be honest, they are there, they live in big cities, in apartments, they think the police will be there to protect them.
this is tied into ideology, not just hunting licenses. >> the nra gets, i think -- the nra spends the most money on the one side of the issue, so they get credit/blame, depending where you come down on all this. but somehow the debate -- chuck's point about the frustration with the lack of any middle ground possible -- >> when charlton heston said you're going to have to take this gun out of my cold, dead hand. that's not a compromising position. >> and that's the problem,...
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the nra had a respectful statement. i think a lot of people showing respect on this. >> feel something may be be happening. >> feel some grown-ups, maybe. there are, of course, exceptions. >> there are a few. we have mike barnicle with us. you're not an exception. beautiful piece in "the daily news" today. we'll read that in must read. thank you very much. former treasury officials. mark ratner is with us as well. he has a must read. i'm serious. >> beautiful. >> also in washington, washington anchor for "bbc world news america" katty kay. >> no pieces, sorry. >> you'll write one next time. thank you. so we've got a lot to get to this morning. >> a lot to talk about today. >> those exceptions, what are you talking about? >> just in the conversation about everything you thought there were two exceptions. >> rick perry, governor of texas, and -- >> is it bob -- >> they said we need to -- we need to arm teachers. >> we have to think about it. >> somebody in the school with a gun. >> guns in school. that's great. you know w
the nra had a respectful statement. i think a lot of people showing respect on this. >> feel something may be be happening. >> feel some grown-ups, maybe. there are, of course, exceptions. >> there are a few. we have mike barnicle with us. you're not an exception. beautiful piece in "the daily news" today. we'll read that in must read. thank you very much. former treasury officials. mark ratner is with us as well. he has a must read. i'm serious. >> beautiful....
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they have continued to broadcast nra news. it is a show owned and operated by the nra and it appears online each day. last night host jenny simone led her program by responding to jay carney's announcement on the president's support for a new assault weapons ban. >> more gun laws are not the answer and what we need to do is stop making schools magnets for mass murderers like adam lanza. >> the show then went on to rail against gun-free school zones saying if the teachers at newtown had been armed, they would have survived. >> good advice for senator feinstein and some of those anti-gunners on the hill to listen to some of these survivors at the school. these gun-free zones are not the answer. people are left at sitting ducks. adam lanza knew he was going to be able to do what he wanted to do. >> earlier this month nra ceo wayne la pierre warned members to get prepared for a massive effort by the white house to take away guns. >> we are about to be victim of a siege against the second amendment in this country going into obama'
they have continued to broadcast nra news. it is a show owned and operated by the nra and it appears online each day. last night host jenny simone led her program by responding to jay carney's announcement on the president's support for a new assault weapons ban. >> more gun laws are not the answer and what we need to do is stop making schools magnets for mass murderers like adam lanza. >> the show then went on to rail against gun-free school zones saying if the teachers at newtown...
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the nra, you heard the statement. more guns. guns in schools perhaps. mike bloomberg has just issued a statement saying the nra's washington leadership has long been out of step with its members and never has it been so apparent as this morning. their press conference was a shameful invasion of the issues facing our country. >> i agree. saying that we are the simple solution is to have an armed guard in every school just they basically skirted the issues. one of the major issues we have here is, you know, we've got guns, assault weapons that the military would normally use. we've got those in our neighborhoods and in our schools. we can't have that. he talked, mr. la pierre of the nra, talked at length about the monster that is are in our society, but he really, andrea, didn't talk about how we make sure those monsters don't get the guns. i haut it was an effort to try to put forth a solution, but that solution is very, very limited. he never talked about these high capacity ammo clips that are not needed unless you're killing -- trying to kill a lot of
the nra, you heard the statement. more guns. guns in schools perhaps. mike bloomberg has just issued a statement saying the nra's washington leadership has long been out of step with its members and never has it been so apparent as this morning. their press conference was a shameful invasion of the issues facing our country. >> i agree. saying that we are the simple solution is to have an armed guard in every school just they basically skirted the issues. one of the major issues we have...
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when you see some say the nra cannot be saved. there is no messaging that will work for them at this point. the politics are against them. that's where they become desperate just like the tobacco lobbyists did when they were up against it. in the end the politics is not going to work for them on this track. and they're going to change. >> so we've -- between newtown and christmas eve, chances that we are going to get meaningful gun control yes or no, richard you first and then you julian. >> yes. >> julian? >> yes. particularly if there is a concerted movement over many months. >> it was a yes or no. it was just a yes or no. >> but there's a key proviseo. there. every time we've done this, the nra counts on the clock. that the public will shift attention over time. the key here is the public todays focused. but that's the key contingency. >> i think the sad reality of the christmas eve incident is that we'll continue to see gun violence. sadly there will continue to be examples that we can point to to try to keep the pressure on.
when you see some say the nra cannot be saved. there is no messaging that will work for them at this point. the politics are against them. that's where they become desperate just like the tobacco lobbyists did when they were up against it. in the end the politics is not going to work for them on this track. and they're going to change. >> so we've -- between newtown and christmas eve, chances that we are going to get meaningful gun control yes or no, richard you first and then you julian....
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we'll have more on the nra in just a moment. right now i'm joined by tom kotz, kaley elkins, rich lucivella of "s.w.a.t." magazine, and jackie kellens. thank you for being here. they promised, quote, meaningful contributions to stop gun violence but in a press conference in which the organization took no questions, the executive vice president and ceo wayne lapier's only contribution was his call for armed guards inside all of the nation's schools. >> i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. and to do it now to make sure that blanket safety is in place when our kids return to school in january. >> for 30 minutes lapierre went on a tread that was steadfast, unyielded and trying to blame violence on the insane monster that is pop late our society. but it turned into a glimpse inside the mind of the man who makes the nra, the lobbying arm of the firearms industry, tick. it was easily the most riveting, chilling and revealing
we'll have more on the nra in just a moment. right now i'm joined by tom kotz, kaley elkins, rich lucivella of "s.w.a.t." magazine, and jackie kellens. thank you for being here. they promised, quote, meaningful contributions to stop gun violence but in a press conference in which the organization took no questions, the executive vice president and ceo wayne lapier's only contribution was his call for armed guards inside all of the nation's schools. >> i call on congress today to...
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you're not a supporter of nra? >> not at all. >> but you're saying -- >> my job is to make it safe for the marlboro students in my jurisdiction. i don't make state law, i don't make federal law. i don't support the nra, i want to get rid of assault rifles. i think we have to close the loopholes on gun control. that being said, our students need to be safe where they learn. what newtown showed us was existing security is not safe the people that rely on safety in our commune and they do an excellent job. the police department took a look at our protocol, and said that the only way to protect our students right now is to have a police officer present in the school. these are the same people we call if there is an active shooter event in 911. so instead of waiting the five minutes to get them there, they are present, they are law enforcement, they are professionals, they know how to handle themselves. the nra is using in as an excuse to circumvent the argument on gun control, and that's wrong. that's not what our inte
you're not a supporter of nra? >> not at all. >> but you're saying -- >> my job is to make it safe for the marlboro students in my jurisdiction. i don't make state law, i don't make federal law. i don't support the nra, i want to get rid of assault rifles. i think we have to close the loopholes on gun control. that being said, our students need to be safe where they learn. what newtown showed us was existing security is not safe the people that rely on safety in our commune...